João! My man! You get it!!I can't help but see it as a companion piece to the series.
Yep, that's actually the one and only issue I probably have with the film, these important character introductions that get glossed over, Rossiu's especially. As we know, he becomes a central character in the second arc, but we can't understand his motivations or his methods without knowing his background, which isn't shown here. That's why I agree so much with your idea of the film(s) being a companion piece.On the other hand, one minute these characters don't exist and the next they're on board.
I'll be interested to check that bit out when I watch the film now.I liked the setup for all out war against the generals but it robbed me of one of my favorite moments of the series which is Simon charging by himself to save Nia. That whole sequence in the movie is weirdly paced, stilted and completely lacking in music. Found that weird, despite the cool reuse of animation.
He's the only character other than Simon and Kamina (who was the move's originator, let's remember) to get to do a Giga Drill Break, so Gainax saved something special for him.And what a goddamn way to go, plunging that drill with every last ounce of his might into the very heart of darkness that threatens the survival of humanity, and being happy to do it.
João! My man! You get it!!
Yep, that's actually the one and only issue I probably have with the film, these important character introductions that get glossed over, Rossiu's especially. As we know, he becomes a central character in the second arc, but we can't understand his motivations or his methods without knowing his background, which isn't shown here. That's why I agree so much with your idea of the film(s) being a companion piece.
I said at the start that I had only one issue with the film, but... Hmmm... I don't want to be picky, but perhaps after the spectacle of the big combining sequence between the four enemy fortresses to form one massive mecha, it's a bit too easily defeated? I really don't have too much of an issue with it, though: there are running time constraints, after all, and I think the new Yōko vs. Adiane sequence already more than makes up for it.
I'll be interested to check that bit out when I watch the film now.
You mentioned reuse of animation there, João, and I particularly love the new take on Simon's arrival in Lagann to rescue Nia.
And in terms of that entire sequence, the preceding part where an utterly determined Simon clambers up the side of Cytomander's airborne mecha to get to Nia I just find so damn exciting to watch. I probably won't be able to resist raving about it in my eventual post on the film.
Counterpoint: All fiction is fanfiction of the earliest written texts of the Bronze Age. I don't put a whole lot of stock in how "official" anything is for the exact reason you've stated there Neil (especially in the case of something like say, Star Wars where some of the official material is now definitely worse and less true to the original than some of the fanfiction) but I also find that helpful because I then don't particularly care about canon status or if "official" stuff is terrible. Fanfiction can be a way to right perceived wrongs taking the (in my opinion, very positive) step of believing you could do a better job yourself, attempting to do so rather than just complaining and in some cases, actually doing a better job than the official writers.rightly or wrongly, I'm not remotely into reading fan fiction. I just really don't see how one individual fan's skewed interpretation of the source material (because anyone's interpretation is unavoidably going to be skewed in some regard and not mesh with the original creator's intent) has any relevance to it.
For example, countless users on the Evageeks fan forum have links in their site signatures to their own Evangelion fanfics, but I honestly wouldn't give any of them the time of day. Several of these appear to be billed as continuations of Evangelion 3.0, but all it would have taken was for anyone to see the first 10 minutes of the following film to render them completely irrelevant in the grander scheme of the story.
It's a double-edged sword, though. I wrote in another thread recently how Mardock Scramble author Tow Ubukata probably grew up as a fan of Ghost in the Shell and then went on to actually write an installment of the franchise himself with Arise. In this case, of course, Ubukata is being asked to write GitS stories, but sometimes all that separates an unknown writer's already existing fanfic from becoming an actual part of the franchise that inspired it is a label saying "Officially licensed". Look at how Nyoron! Churuya-san became a (sort of) part of the Haruhi Suzumiya franchise when it was made into an anime. Personally, I'm a big fan.
Forgiveness and redemption are totally recurring themes of Gurren Lagann, albeit ones that tend to be rather overlooked in all the gar-ness of flashy giant robot fights. And most of the characters have such a fantastic and accepting attitude towards reconciliation. Viral had a hand in killing Kamina, yes. But let's also not forget that Team Gurren killed Adiane (yes, let's not forget that) whose death Viral definitely felt. But forgiveness of and co-operation with former enemies is the only way conflicts can ever be meaningfully resolved without resorting to killing absolutely everyone on the other side, even in real life. Surely places like Northern Ireland, Cyprus and Israel/Palestine would be better places if more people were willing to forgive and work with each other (it was kinda working in NI, at least until the Tories screwed everything up again).This begs the question, can any action be forgiven if you're repentant and your heart's in the right place? This show certainly thinks so. Perhaps that's just its shonen fight-then-bond DNA bubbling to the surface, where we see Team Dai-Gurren forgive Rossiu, accept Viral (who killed Kamina, let's not forget), and even team up with a castrated Lordgenome.
Eh, I mean I wouldn't really read too much into Mastsumo's characters all looking the same, that's kind of a Matsumoto thingif I can steal something from a completely unrelated anime to tie in to this, look at the 2013 CG film Harlock: Space Pirate. Main character Yama (I refuse to call the characters by their Western renamings. "Logan"?! WTF) is the spitting image of Harlock, but they're separate characters, have never met before they do during the story, and aren't related by blood.
It could also be argued it was just done out of respect, I mean it's still pretty frowned upon to even ask a woman how old she is (Hell, I don't like being asked how old I am, I think it's time that unwritten rule was extended to men as well) and does anybody (apart from the odd deviant) actually look fondly on the effects of the ageing process? I know I'd far rather everybody remembered me the way I looked ten years ago...You make another very good point there, Ian.
I think there might've been something niggling me the previous times I've seen the ending, but it's never materialised as a conscious thought, and you've managed to dig it out there. That's... arguably sexist, as if Yōko would prefer us to remember her as she looked when she was younger.
I'm confused Hippo, you put that in such a way to make me consider that perhaps Simon got the happiest of all possible endings, then say he didn't?Simon doesn't really have a happy end, he just has an end where he gets to wander about without any responsibility.
I'm confused Hippo, you put that in such a way to make me consider that perhaps Simon got the happiest of all possible endings, then say he didn't?
Heh I think modes of enjoyment are very relative. A good friend loves climbing up hills to view the scenery, which is my idea of cruel & unusual punishment (would happily be driven up the hills to admire said scenery mind you). So maybe A Wandering Simon makes him a happy Simon?I think Simon deserved to chill, but just wandering about seemed kind of lonely to me, would have been nice to see him at least enjoying our version of sipping cocktails in hawaii for the rest of his days
Neil has forsaken us.
Now have a look at what I wrote earlier in the thread:The line "He's gonna punch the Earth!" is uttered seriously in this movie, I think nothing else needs saying, really.
Again, nothing else needs saying.This entire sequence of events plays out very differently in movie #2, and includes a line of dialogue that's just so wonderfully ridiculous and OTT that it's just so... Gurren Lagann! I hope you'll enjoy it as much as I do when we get to it, João
Any chance you can you have a word with a friend of mine, Ian? He's on the autism spectrum and once took 51 weeks to respond to a Facebook post of mine.I think my Asperger's is what makes me stick to such things.
You raise some very compelling points that really did get me thinking there, ayase.Your Eva fanfic point is of particular interest as someone who is more invested in that side of fandom