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ayase said:
I’m sure there was a reason I opted to use DisplayPort over HDMI but I can’t for the life of me remember what that reason was. Is there any good reason to use DisplayPort?

On the plus side, using the 1080p monitor my frame rates have shot through the roof.
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Depending on the age of the HDMI ports on your 4k panel, displayport generally allows for a higher refreash rates compared to HDMI 1.4 and 2.0. If you have a high refreash monitor and a beefy GPU then a display port is beneficial for that.

Though HDMI 2.1 matches it and is more reliable, but is also brand new and isn't yet available on many monitors as far as I am aware currently.

does your 4k monitor work with any displayport cable?
 
Vincentdante said:
Depending on the age of the HDMI ports on your 4k panel, displayport generally allows for a higher refreash rates compared to HDMI 1.4 and 2.0. If you have a high refreash monitor and a beefy GPU then a display port is beneficial for that.

Though HDMI 2.1 matches it and is more reliable, but is also brand new and isn't yet available on many monitors as far as I am aware currently.

does your 4k monitor work with any displayport cable?
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The only thing I have with DP output is the graphics card in my PC, so I can’t test the DP input on the monitor with anything else. While that could be the issue, in that case I’m not sure why plugging it in would cause the second monitor to lose picture... It used to work just fine with either of the DP cables I have, and either will currently work just fine with my 10 year old Dell monitor.

The 4k is an LG 27UD68P-B if that makes any difference. Currently happily working over HDMI with my blu-ray player, I’ll give it a go on the PC using HDMI, see what happens. Cheers.

If it’s my GPU that’s dying I might actually cry. There’s no way I can afford to replace that right now.
 
ayase said:
The only thing I have with DP output is the graphics card in my PC, so I can’t test the DP input on the monitor with anything else. While that could be the issue, in that case I’m not sure why plugging it in would cause the second monitor to lose picture... It used to work just fine with either of the DP cables I have, and either will currently work just fine with my 10 year old Dell monitor.

The 4k is an LG 27UD68P-B if that makes any difference. Currently happily working over HDMI with my blu-ray player, I’ll give it a go on the PC using HDMI, see what happens. Cheers.

If it’s my GPU that’s dying I might actually cry. There’s no way I can afford to replace that right now.
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I took a look at your monitor and I see it's 4k@60hz so actually you won't lose anything from HDMI over DP which is good news. Unfortunately I can't make any guesses as to what caused the issue as it could be a number of things.

It's very unlikely to be your GPU though based on what you described, it's more likely the DP port in your monitor might have gone if I had to take a wild guess.
 
RadFemHedonist said:
I'm so glad you have (good) internet again, ayase! :) I am eating cashew nuts that mum bought me ages ago for "dinner" (I use the term loosely lol) because I don't really want to go food shopping 😅 It expands so much of my chronically ill energy sometimes... but if I do it I'll have more food and therefore more energy 🤔 I think I will drag my butt out of the house and do it, hopefully I can get a slice of pizza as well as a reward. Also Amazon are claiming they received an empty box with no drawing tablet in it after I definitely sent it back to them, pretty sure someone from Hermes (who were one of Amazon's official return options, would have gone with Royal Mail but wasn't sure if they had a label printing service at my local branch)) stole or broke it and have no idea what to do about that, I'm reluctant to make big waves about it in case Amazon refuse to serve me anymore afterwards, but that tablet cost £399 it's hardly small potatoes for me :(
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At what stage in the returns process was the parcel weighed? If you have a receipt showing the weight, or Hermes have the weight recorded in their system, that should work in your favour since it would be heavier than an empty box.

While it won't help you this time, if you ever need to return an expensive item again, I'd recommend using the return address label to seal the parcel, and then use clear parcel tape on top of that to seal the rest of the box. That way you've created a tamper-proof seal, unless the label has rubbish adhesive, in which case reinforce it with stronger glue around the edges. It's not foolproof, of course, since they could still get in through the bottom of the box, but you could try sealing the bottom with another label showing your own sender's address. Then photograph the parcel before sending.

Oldmario said:
there is one thing i don't know if it still exists on PS3 but with the disc drive on PS2 a screw had to be in a certain rotation to allow multiple voltages for CD and DVD otherwise i don't think it read correctly so i'm starting to wonder if it could be something on that level if other stuff is reading perfectly fine
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You mean the potentiometer screw? I don't know if the PS3 has that either, but I did try fiddling with the one on my PS1 in the past, to limited success. Adjusting the pot can work because the laser lens decalibrates over time due to heat warping. You need to hook up a voltmeter to adjust it properly. I tried just using the Mk.1 Eyeball for the adjustment and marked the original position so I could move it back. That's probably why it didn't work so well. 🤔😆

ayase said:
I think this house might actually be cursed, today my graphics card decided that despite both monitors, both cables and both DisplayPorts working fine when tested, it only wanted to support one monitor and the only one it will support is my ancient second monitor. New 4k and old 1080? UNACCEPTABLE! New 4k on its own, with either cable in either DisplayPort? UNACCEPTABLE! Old 1080 on its own, with either cable in either DisplayPort? Mm, acceptable.
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This is probably the first thing you did, but have you tried rolling back the graphics driver?
 
Dai said:
This is probably the first thing you did, but have you tried rolling back the graphics driver?
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Yeah, I tried a couple of graphics driver fixes but it ain’t that. I’m pretty convinced it’s not a software issue just by the way it’s behaving.

Well, I say that, but I was all set to try it with the HDMI and now Windows has decided not to boot, stuck in the never-ending death spiral. Things only get better, in a very New Labour way.

 
RadFemHedonist said:
Also Amazon are claiming they received an empty box with no drawing tablet in it after I definitely sent it back to them, pretty sure someone from Hermes (who were one of Amazon's official return options, would have gone with Royal Mail but wasn't sure if they had a label printing service at my local branch)) stole or broke it and have no idea what to do about that, I'm reluctant to make big waves about it in case Amazon refuse to serve me anymore afterwards, but that tablet cost £399 it's hardly small potatoes for me :(
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Amazon randomly refunded me £90 today for an item that the courier allegedly failed to deliver and brought back to the depot even though it was delivered, so I wouldn't necessary place much faith in their stock control skills (I was a good person and told them about the error even though scamming Amazon feels like a victimless crime). It's a drain but kicking up a fuss on their customer service chat might help - asking for proof and photos of the empty box so that you can see whether it was tampered with in transit would be a good start (they are unlikely to be able to provide them) and you are welcome to use my ridiculous anecdote from today as evidence that something is really not right with their returns department.

R
 
Dai said:
Good old Windows updates; the thing most likely to break Windows.
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It totally was as well, in a rare moment of honesty and transparency Windows has admitted (in safe mode, perhaps that’s its safe space) that the Windows Update Database is corrupt. Great.

Rui said:
Amazon randomly refunded me £90 today for an item that the courier allegedly failed to deliver and brought back to the depot even though it was delivered, so I wouldn't necessary place much faith in their stock control skills (I was a good person and told them about the error even though scamming Amazon feels like a victimless crime).
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Does not stealing from Amazon when given the opportunity really make you a good person, Rui? :p
 
Reminds me a couple years ago when I emailed to complain about a delivery of blu-rays being left outside when it was raining, so the outer box was ruined. All the titles were fine as the plastic wrapping saved them from getting wet. They randomly refunded the entire order and told me to keep it (around £60)
 
Vincentdante said:
I took a look at your monitor and I see it's 4k@60hz so actually you won't lose anything from HDMI over DP which is good news.
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Now this is interesting, I’m back in unsafe Windows (and am NEVER EVER TURNING MY PC OFF AGAIN) and the monitor DOES work via HDMI, thankfully, so it seems like the most likely culprit was the monitor’s DP input. However, I’m now getting noticeable mouse lag that definitely wasn’t there when it was running via DP and when I scrub the mouse over to the old monitor, it goes back to its speedy, normal self. But perhaps my HDMI cable is just too old for the newer standards. They’re cheap enough, I’ll just pick up a new one.

All’s well that ends well. Now I can get on with doing what I meant to do earlier with a working PC and working internet, binge the Hell out of Land of the Lustful so I can catch up with the simulwatch.
 
ayase said:
Now this is interesting, I’m back in unsafe Windows (and am NEVER EVER TURNING MY PC OFF AGAIN) and the monitor DOES work via HDMI, thankfully, so it seems like the most likely culprit was the monitor’s DP input. However, I’m now getting noticeable mouse lag that definitely wasn’t there when it was running via DP and when I scrub the mouse over to the old monitor, it goes back to its speedy, normal self. But perhaps my HDMI cable is just too old for the newer standards. They’re cheap enough, I’ll just pick up a new one.

All’s well that ends well. Now I can get on with doing what I meant to do earlier with a working PC and working internet, binge the Hell out of Land of the Lustful so I can catch up with the simulwatch.
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I guess if anything try to make sure the cable is minimum HDMI 2.0, it's not really anything that's usually advertised but at 4k it makes a difference.
 
Vincentdante said:
I guess if anything try to make sure the cable is minimum HDMI 2.0, it's not really anything that's usually advertised but at 4k it makes a difference.
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Just to draw a line under this, one new HDMI cable and a bit of faffing around with the monitor settings to get 60hz (turns out I had to enable something called "HDMI ULTRA HD Deep Color" to go past 30hz over HDMI, because colour apparently equals refresh rate, real intuitive LG :rolleyes:) and everything is as it should be. Thanks again guys.
 
So I finally got my new TV all set up. I still intend to save up for some nice speakers but as a stop gap until then I'm going to pick up a cheap soundbar (which I will eventually pass down to my mum who only knows of TV audio). Nothing fancy as the only feature I really want it to have is HDMI-Arc. I was wondering if anyone knew of a good budget soundbar that fits this description? The best I found by myself is the Roku streambar which would be somewhat wasted as I wouldn't use the streaming part of it.
 
WMD said:
João Gomes said:
Possibly opening a can of worms, but yeah, like thedoctor said (I think that's what they meant), it bears mentioning that Nobuhiro Watsuki was found in possession of child porn, which you may want to know about. Not passing judgment or anything, Ruroken is still very close to my heart, so it sours the whole thing to know it came from someone like that, but there you go.
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Hmm that is grim. I remember when the truth about the lost prophets singer came out, a band I'd seen live 5 or 6 times, and it was pretty horrifying to think I'd been supporting them this whole time. Never listened to them since and I was pretty obsessed with Fake Sound of Progress.

I feel a bit dirty to think I inadvertently supported someone like that. I may try and watch it with a more detected frame of mind like watching Momotaro Sacred Soldier as it's something you cant remove from its history. We'll see.
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It’s a difficult one. Like you @WMD I know at least one person who was a Lost Prophets fan and after all the stuff about Watkins came out they chucked their albums and vowed never to listen to them again. I don’t really listen to the radio but I’m sure they did the same (like how we’ll never see re-runs of TotP with Jimmy Savile again). But at the same time as I can totally understand people feeling duped and let down by people they supported, as well as a certain measure of horror or guilt that their money might have helped enable their crimes, I also feel there are other factors to consider.

Firstly, I don’t personally believe that someone’s personal actions make their art objectionable. I mean, look at MJ. Whether he did all those things he is accused of doing or not (and we’ll probably never know) he was still an amazing artist and no amount of revelations could make his music any less brilliant. The same goes for people further back in history like Thomas Jefferson, no amount of debate over the nature of his relationship with Sally Hemmings (again, we’ll never know) can change the fact he was an incredible thinker and visionary. Perhaps some people are just more haunted by these things and struggle to separate creations from creator, and if people can’t read a book or listen to an album without those thoughts intruding into their enjoyment then fair enough, I wouldn’t enjoy that experience either. I’m lucky that I can separate art from artist, I guess.

Secondly, and more sad, is the fact that in a lot of cases people there was more than one person involved in creating a lot of things that get shoved down the memory hole, especially in the case of bands. I mean there were other members of Lost Prophets than just Watkins, but now all the music they created is tarnished and hidden away, and I can’t quite imagine how it must feel to be a member of the Glitter Band.
 
I think, for me, it ends up depending on the medium that the artist works in. I think I would find fiction easy enough to separate from the writer, but music less so. Lyrics to me are born of the writer's own thoughts and feelings, veiled or otherwise. But fiction is more like a flight of fancy that breaks free of its creator.

I've read that the late Satoshi Kon, on a commentary track included with Anime Limited's Ultimate Edition Blu-ray of Perfect Blue, apparently makes some distasteful remark about some of the film's content. I don't know the specifics because I've deliberately avoided researching it. It's like they say: never meet your heroes.

One thing is for certain, though: I won't be parting with my Satoshi Kon films.

Music would perhaps be different for me, though, and that's because I'd be hearing the artist's voice through their singing, or through their words if the lyricist and the singer were not the same person. I kind of went cold some years ago on an artist called Bright Eyes because of some things I'd read about his behaviour, which is a dreadful shame because Digital Ash in a Digital Urn in particular is an excellent album. I guess I couldn't "root for him" anymore in the way that I could still "root for" a character in a work of fiction regardless.

But what if a newsworthy scandal involved a band's bassist? Would that make them difficult to still listen to? It would surely be a lot easier to kick the bassist out of the band without changing the band's identify anywhere near as much as if it were the singer, but... where do the members' loyalties lie in that case? It's complicated.
 
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ayase said:
It’s a difficult one. Like you @WMD I know at least one person who was a Lost Prophets fan and after all the stuff about Watkins came out they chucked their albums and vowed never to listen to them again. I don’t really listen to the radio but I’m sure they did the same (like how we’ll never see re-runs of TotP with Jimmy Savile again). But at the same time as I can totally understand people feeling duped and let down by people they supported, as well as a certain measure of horror or guilt that their money might have helped enable their crimes, I also feel there are other factors to consider.

Firstly, I don’t personally believe that someone’s personal actions make their art objectionable. I mean, look at MJ. Whether he did all those things he is accused of doing or not (and we’ll probably never know) he was still an amazing artist and no amount of revelations could make his music any less brilliant. The same goes for people further back in history like Thomas Jefferson, no amount of debate over the nature of his relationship with Sally Hemmings (again, we’ll never know) can change the fact he was an incredible thinker and visionary. Perhaps some people are just more haunted by these things and struggle to separate creations from creator, and if people can’t read a book or listen to an album without those thoughts intruding into their enjoyment then fair enough, I wouldn’t enjoy that experience either. I’m lucky that I can separate art from artist, I guess.

Secondly, and more sad, is the fact that in a lot of cases people there was more than one person involved in creating a lot of things that get shoved down the memory hole, especially in the case of bands. I mean there were other members of Lost Prophets than just Watkins, but now all the music they created is tarnished and hidden away, and I can’t quite imagine how it must feel to be a member of the Glitter Band.
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I think a lot of the lost prophets fandom kind of went through the 5 stages of grief when they found out what he was. But as the details of what he had actually done came out there was this huge sense of anger, guilt, horror, betrayal all mixed up and it just became untenable to even think about listening to them again.

As @Neil.T says, that it's the lead singer makes it impossible to go back to and why the band had to end as the lead singer is the voice of the band at the end of the day.

If its another member it is more possible for the band to kick them out and move on and write a song about how awful that person was. New Found Glory found out one of their guitarists had been making out with 15 yr olds and they got rid if him immediately. People only found out because the band did this. It made it a lot easier for people to continue being fans of the band.

With someone like MJ I do wonder what the reaction would be like if the accusations only came out now. The way the media reacts to a story like this is so different now than back then, I feel it would be a completely different story for most people.
 
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