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I was a Lostprophets fan, but I don't really feel comfortable listening to them anymore. They weren't one of my absolute favs, so I don't really a huge loss for me, but they still had a lot of songs I liked.

The other members started a new band (No Devotion) - they're pretty good (and are apparently working on their second album), but I don't think they'll ever really shake off the association with Watkins. Their first album came out in 2015, reached #120 in the UK album charts and isn't even on Spotify. It apparently won "Best Album" in the Kerrang Awards 2016, so I guess that's something.

Possible hypocrite/illogical alert: Watkins does guest vocals for a song by another band I like and I still like/listen to that song.

I know the Watsuki stuff is bad too, but I still enjoy his work. Buso Renkin is one of my fav series and the first tankobon I ever bought was Rurouni Kenshin vol 1, so I've got a lot of nostalgia for that series.
 
I've read that the late Satoshi Kon, on a commentary track included with Anime Limited's Ultimate Edition Blu-ray of Perfect Blue, apparently makes some distasteful remark about some of the film's content. I don't know the specifics because I've deliberately avoided researching it. It's like they say: never meet your heroes.
I mean, we're perhaps venturing here into a slightly different area, though certainly a topical one given:
The way the media reacts to a story like this is so different now than back then
And I for one would certainly put saying potentially offensive/distasteful things into a very different bracket than being an actual rapist, though it feels like I'm becoming something of a minority in that attitude. I mean, with people like J.K. Rowling or Gina Carano (and possibly Kon, I hadn't heard that myself but I doubt it would bother me much) they didn't do anything except express opinions people disagreed with, which is (for now) not actually a crime and they don't have victims who require justice. For those kinds of cases I'd just fall back on the old "while I may disagree with what you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it" because I can get along fine with people who don't share my opinions and can't for the life of me understand the sheer volume of bile some people will now happily direct at others simply for not having the same opinions or beliefs as them. I feel like it's not uncommon in society now for people to hold attitudes not a million miles away from those that inspired the Charlie Hebdo massacre (not accusing you of any of this Neil, just enjoying tapping away now I have a keyboard back again :p)

For those who have done heinous, criminal things and caused actual suffering it's more troubling, not to mention more practically difficult. Obviously I wouldn't want to support those people financially any more, but that comes with its own issues. Phil Spector was by many accounts an all-around nasty piece of work and a convicted murderer. He was also a very talented producer, responsible for producing hundreds of records for other people spanning several decades, so while he was still alive if you were to purchase recordings by any one of the many amazing artists who (mostly) did deserve the royalties, Spector was still getting a percentage of that. It's very hard to know where to draw the line. And then there's the fact that a lot of artists, while perhaps not rapists or murderers, might be engaged in other criminal activities like assault or tax evasion, but it's pretty rare for anyone to burn their material or for them to become blacklisted in their industries over these particular crimes, even though they also result in the suffering of other real people. But those exact things are now happening to people just for saying words. 🤷‍♂️
 
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The conversation about fallen idols is interesting. I was a big fan of Rurouni Kenshin back in the day yet I haven't bought a single RK thing since hearing about Watsuki, because I don't like thinking that I'm paying him to financially support actual abuse of real human beings. There are so many other things that I can spend my time and money on and dropping Watsuki's work doesn't really lose me anything. Manga feels more intimate in that regard, even though there are obviously corporations and editors and publishers involved as well. I can still enjoy the anime when I'm in the mood but his future career would have to be absolutely incredible to persuade me to give him another chance.

Separately, I was pretty personally disgusted by the Carano and Rowling comments but I'm not going to pretend that it changed my buying habits in any way (I've never really been into Potter and my Disney+ subscription is for Hamilton and Miraculous Ladybug). Their bank balances are unaffected by my personal displeasure. But there is definitely a difference there, because if I was a big fan of either series it would seem counterproductive to cut myself loose based on something external to the content itself; expecting all of the actors in every show I watch to be Genuinely Good People is a stretch. The culture of worshipping celebrities - which is nothing new, humans seem to love worshipping others throughout history - and treating them as role models whose personal opinions actually matter outside of the TV screen is very confusing. Why would someone be an interesting philosopher just because they're good at running around a set in makeup and shooting fake guns?

I'm not even sure that genuinely good people exist, especially in a field like acting where some level of narcissism is a baseline requirement for a lot of roles, so whenever people are shocked to learn that some famous singer or actor has skeletons in their closet it surprises me that they hadn't assumed there was a problem there to start with. Maybe I'm just a jerk (I am) but most people I've met seem to have a variety of flaws or unfortunate opinions and if I limited myself to perfect people I'd hardly have any entertainment to choose from. And all of it would probably be crafted by psychopaths who were experts at covering their tracks rather than genuinely nice people who accidentally used the wrong word in a conversation once. (In fact, there's a challenge. Is there a single work of modern media with no problematic associations at all?)

Rather than everything being free from problematic content, it's more interesting to me to dissect and understand those problems and use that as a first step to do better in future. I'm personally ok with creators not being perfect people. I'm less ok with them using their platforms for reasons I find unkind, but whether that affects my purchasing decisions heavily depends on the situation. We're at a really weird point in the Internet now where up and coming celebrities not only have the threat of being outed by their actions since becoming a media darling but also their actions in childhood, since their whole awkward teen years took place online. A certain Internet-famous creator was being called out a while back because she posted skeevy yiff artwork when she herself was ~14 or so and people were saying that it proved she was into underage stuff now. Yikes. I can't even imagine what the Internet would make of the weird fanfics I was writing in my teens if they ever saw the light of day.

And on that note I think how people react to being challenged says a lot too. If a celebrity is accused of saying something cruel but takes the opportunity to learn from it, listen to what people are saying and then reframes their opinions in a way that doesn't propagate awfulness then they should be given credit for trying and left alone; it's very different to doubling down and using that 'I'm sorry if I offended anyone' (translation: 'I'm sorry that what I said inconvenienced me') non-apology that's so fashionable these days. People shouldn't be crucified for making mistakes. However, when they refuse to listen and try to make themselves into a martyr for the right to bully others, and try to use their popularity to shout down anyone exercising their own free speech to challenge them, I lose a lot of sympathy for their position. It also makes a big difference if the thing they said was punching up or punching down. Will it stop me from subscribing to Disney+ or make me throw my cheapo Harry Potter boxset in the bin? No. But when I find someone ugly as a person, I might be less interested in checking out their future work. Cultivating an appealing image is part of their job when they're using their identity as a media brand.

As a long-time fan of Japanese entertainment I'm used to a more comprehensive style of 'cancel culture' to the flame wars of the west, where very famous artists are quite literally 'cancelled' the moment they're associated with drugs (or in the idol world, with a male). I'm not a fan of drugs at all but I don't especially care if Sakai Noriko gets into trouble making her own ill-advised life choices; the only problem is that when she does all of her old content goes out of print overnight and it becomes much harder to collect! So I think that's why I'm less bothered about the western version, where all it means is that people who say stuff that hurts certain groups become more popular with some groups and less popular with others. It seems like capitalism in action, for better or worse. Voting with our wallets where we really think it counts is the only kind of response that matters to them.

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where very famous artists are quite literally 'cancelled' the moment they're associated with drugs
Yeah, the guy who was in the Yakuzu series who was replaced comes to mind (ironic since he was playing a Yukuza, you know, a criminal) and was part of the group that made the Devilman Crybaby OP, which got pulled from Spotify, but is thankfully back because the single also features the ED from someone completely different and was also punished. Also both are excellent in different ways.
that's why I'm less bothered about the western version,
When I first heard about the punishment I thought imagine if we had that it would wipe out proberly (more than) half of the pop music from the last 60 years! No Stones, Beatles, Pink Floyd, Hendrix, Marley, etc, etc.
 
On a lighter note, this Japanese company gives its employees two weeks paid leave to grieve when their idol waifu gets married.

My favourite part is "You may take full paid leave for up to 10 days if your favorite idol graduates. You may take three days if it's your second-favorite idol or otherwise an idol who is not necessarily your number one"

So if someone you've just got a mild/passing interest in retires, you get three days off - nice!
 
My favourite part is "You may take full paid leave for up to 10 days if your favorite idol graduates. You may take three days if it's your second-favorite idol or otherwise an idol who is not necessarily your number one"
Another interesting thing about this is that the company would surely need to take a list of your favourite idols to avoid being cheated out of seven days! 😅

Example situation of an employee's thought process upon reading the entertainment news: "Aww, she's getting married? Damn, she was my seventh-favourite, too. Never mind, I'll tell the boss she was my favourite and get 10 days off work."
 
expecting all of the actors in every show I watch to be Genuinely Good People is a stretch. The culture of worshipping celebrities - which is nothing new, humans seem to love worshipping others throughout history - and treating them as role models whose personal opinions actually matter outside of the TV screen is very confusing. Why would someone be an interesting philosopher just because they're good at running around a set in makeup and shooting fake guns?

I'm not even sure that genuinely good people exist, especially in a field like acting where some level of narcissism is a baseline requirement for a lot of roles, so whenever people are shocked to learn that some famous singer or actor has skeletons in their closet it surprises me that they hadn't assumed there was a problem there to start with. Maybe I'm just a jerk (I am) but most people I've met seem to have a variety of flaws or unfortunate opinions and if I limited myself to perfect people I'd hardly have any entertainment to choose from. And all of it would probably be crafted by psychopaths who were experts at covering their tracks rather than genuinely nice people who accidentally used the wrong word in a conversation once. (In fact, there's a challenge. Is there a single work of modern media with no problematic associations at all?)
All of this, I am in one-hundred percent agreement with. And as for the bit in bold, you probably wouldn't find them in the entertainment industry as they'll more likely have gone into politics. And certainly if you go into any work of fiction looking for things to be offended by (as I'm convinced people do now, usually so they can churn out clickbait articles and video "reviews") then you're going to find it. I've argued before that if someone were to pick me a random ideology and a piece of media, I could come up with a convincing argument to show how it either endorses or repudiates said ideology. It's 90% the same tactics you use to get someone who neither wants nor needs a coffee machine to buy what you're selling anyway: Sound convincing and sincere in your bull****ting.

Rather than everything being free from problematic content, it's more interesting to me to dissect and understand those problems and use that as a first step to do better in future. I'm personally ok with creators not being perfect people. I'm less ok with them using their platforms for reasons I find unkind, but whether that affects my purchasing decisions heavily depends on the situation. We're at a really weird point in the Internet now where up and coming celebrities not only have the threat of being outed by their actions since becoming a media darling but also their actions in childhood, since their whole awkward teen years took place online. A certain Internet-famous creator was being called out a while back because she posted skeevy yiff artwork when she herself was ~14 or so and people were saying that it proved she was into underage stuff now. Yikes. I can't even imagine what the Internet would make of the weird fanfics I was writing in my teens if they ever saw the light of day.

And on that note I think how people react to being challenged says a lot too. If a celebrity is accused of saying something cruel but takes the opportunity to learn from it, listen to what people are saying and then reframes their opinions in a way that doesn't propagate awfulness then they should be given credit for trying and left alone; it's very different to doubling down and using that 'I'm sorry if I offended anyone' (translation: 'I'm sorry that what I said inconvenienced me') non-apology that's so fashionable these days. People shouldn't be crucified for making mistakes. However, when they refuse to listen and try to make themselves into a martyr for the right to bully others, and try to use their popularity to shout down anyone exercising their own free speech to challenge them, I lose a lot of sympathy for their position. It also makes a big difference if the thing they said was punching up or punching down. Will it stop me from subscribing to Disney+ or make me throw my cheapo Harry Potter boxset in the bin? No. But when I find someone ugly as a person, I might be less interested in checking out their future work. Cultivating an appealing image is part of their job when they're using their identity as a media brand.
This is all really interesting stuff to think about. Rightly or wrongly (and probably due to my own narcissism) I have more of a tendency to put myself in the place of the people being "called out" for things which, like, aren't actually crimes. But to be fair, that's usually because they are at least producing something of value (which is what makes them a valuable target) rather than simply spending their time complaining about what other people are doing. Beyond the despairing "Why do you even give a toss?" I also tend to think "Why should I give a toss?"

If I was, for instance, the sort of person who produced potentially offensive fan content I would absolutely be able to see why some people would find it objectionable. But that shouldn't be a problem, since it wouldn't be for them and a very simple solution to their problem would be to stop looking at it. My answer to any non-constructive criticism aimed at my motivations or tastes rather than my skill-level would be "Yes, yes I did create this and I enjoyed creating it, and other people enjoy consuming it. It's not real, I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else. Stop p*ssing on things you don't like and go look at things you do like or better yet, make them yourself. Be the change you want to see in the world." If, of course, any of that were the case.

The only thing keeping people from being themselves and enjoying what they want is fear of authority: Their employer, their webhost, the law. Sadly if notified all three of these are now willing to go to town on people for stepping outside of society's bounds of acceptability, which is kind of ironic given this is exactly how gay and trans people have been (and in many cases still are) treated and it feels like no step forward at all to start treating other people this way for, I dunno, drawing furry porn you don't like or making a clumsy Nazi analogy. I don't think anyone needs to apologise for anything unless they actually do feel sorry. I also don't think anyone has the right to demand anyone else's respect because that itself is a confrontational way to behave and, speaking personally here, anyone using threatening behaviour to try and make me respect (if not obey) them is a sure-fire way of making sure they never, ever get it. Because that absolutely is the tactics of bullying, I don't think it matters who it comes from and I think anyone subject to it has the right to fight back.
 
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Yesterday I braked my bike to avoid a car on a roundabout and pulled the front brake so hard I flipped myself over the handlebars.

Broke up upper arm, spiral fracture running up it multiple chips and fractures in my shoulder and I dislocated it. Been in constant pain since even with the drug cocktail they're giving me. Waiting to find out if I need surgery

This sucks so bad
 
Yesterday I braked my bike to avoid a car on a roundabout and pulled the front brake so hard I flipped myself over the handlebars.

Broke up upper arm, spiral fracture running up it multiple chips and fractures in my shoulder and I dislocated it. Been in constant pain since even with the drug cocktail they're giving me. Waiting to find out if I need surgery

This sucks so bad
Damn, that's awful. This is one of those situations where the forums need something other than a Like button.
 
@WMD Sorry to hear that, does not sound remotly good.
Arms in general heal quicker than say leg (but that due to not having the entier weight of a body), but I really don't know with it being the upper arm and it being a bigger bone than the 2 lower arm bones, and also no experince with spiral fractures. Dislocations are not pleasant either and combining it all is alot of localized pain, but from what I rememebr after a few days the initial pain does mellow out a bit.
Hopefully it's not too bad and it heals up quickly, all the best for a speedy recovery.
Sleeping is unfortunatly what I found the biggest problem after breaking my leg years ago (I always tried to save some of my ration of drugs for bed time and even one for the middle of the night). But I've always struggled to drop off to sleep qucikly in genral.
 
Thanks everyone. Yeah I basically got no sleep last night coz the pain just didn't go away even on codeine, paracetamol ibuprofen and drinking morphine!

Also its my right arm so everything is going to be a chore for months
 
Yesterday I braked my bike to avoid a car on a roundabout and pulled the front brake so hard I flipped myself over the handlebars.

Broke up upper arm, spiral fracture running up it multiple chips and fractures in my shoulder and I dislocated it. Been in constant pain since even with the drug cocktail they're giving me. Waiting to find out if I need surgery

This sucks so bad
Wow, that's some bad luck 🥲

I hope that you will make a quick recovery and that the pain goes away as fast as possible 😃
 
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