Oh boy, hornet's nest! I clearly don't have a clue about how these forums work scratching head, I remember this original exchange from a boxsets' forum or something, and have no recollection of having started this thread! Anyhoo, looking back I do come across very judgemental & opinionated and I do apologize for this - it was not my intention to irritate or offend anybody nor to bitch irreverently about one of my favourite anime. Personally I'm a prude and not fond of fanservice in anime nor non-animated media (though secretly/subconsciously I probably do like it and therefore feel further offended at my internal guilt heh!!). That is relating to adults/consenting individuals, regarding which I don't actually have an issue with that being included whether I like it or not. One doofus' opinions do not count for anything ultimately and if I don't like, I don't watch it right?
For what it's worth, my justification for the previous tirade is that I do not regardless, see the justification for older individuals groping/molesting children unable to consent, in any context, and that is speaking as an Asian, who grew up in Asia, having lived in different countries in the continent and experienced different cultures including patriarchal ones, and currently settled in the UK. I see the point regarding anthropomorphising and what is obviously fiction, but let's take the visual element out of a scene for example, as if describing it to someone verbally only: "highschool boy gropes elementary school girl" - to me it's about what is implied, fiction or not, and that is not right in the significant majority of cultures (regardless of the fact that it does, in rare instances, occur rules notwithstanding, in all human societies East & West).
I'll just end with the fact that, like others, I really do love Monogatari but to the extent that I can be upfront about the aspects of it that I find disturbing. I wish I could happily share it with my friends/family/kids but some of those elements make that problematic. All these are just my opinions with no expectations for others to agree.