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Heh, c&p from chat re: Valv 10, just because (also small Gundam SEED spoilers):
(01:54:30) Arbalest: So
(01:54:33) Arbalest: i see what happened
(01:54:37) ilmaestro: (01:39:53) Rui: It's about a cool guy called L-Elf running around being cool
(01:54:45) ilmaestro: there hasn't really been enough of this of late
(01:54:48) Arbalest: and to think they've been pushing that idea for about.....5 episodes?
(01:55:12) ilmaestro: well
(01:55:14) ilmaestro: sort of
(01:55:23) Arbalest: not really sort of
(01:55:32) ilmaestro: only sort of
(01:55:42) ilmaestro: the show has not been serious enough to be genuinely pushing that idea
(01:56:09) ilmaestro: i actually sort of half stood up and reached my hand out towards the screen to stop them
(01:56:11) Arbalest: hmm
(01:56:34) Arbalest: i actually wouldn't put it past them
(01:56:36) Arbalest: honestly
(01:56:44) ilmaestro: if you actually thought that this episode would ever really happen in the show, you are both crazy and amazing
(01:57:03) ilmaestro: it's not like we're watching HBO
(01:57:14) ilmaestro: this felt like a very rare episode of anime
(01:57:34) Arbalest: well no, i wouldn't. because everytime it's happened outside this episode, he's made a leap for a guy, and usually always to bite
(01:57:51) Arbalest: never once until this ep did he go for a woman
(01:57:54) ilmaestro: if you thought they would metaphorically make this episode
(01:57:58) Arbalest: because they set it up as such
(01:58:08) ilmaestro: just with the biting/body jacking, i can agree
(01:58:21) Arbalest: do i agree with putting it into the episode?
(01:58:25) Arbalest: that's a debate in itself
(01:58:42) Arbalest: i think i get why though
(01:58:49) Arbalest: but not sure i agree with it
(02:04:54) ilmaestro:
(01:58:21) Arbalest: do i agree with putting it into the episode?(01:58:25) Arbalest: that's a debate in itself
(02:04:56) ilmaestro: definitely
(02:05:07) Arbalest: basically
(02:05:08) Arbalest: i get why
(02:05:26) ilmaestro: i *think* i do
(02:05:34) ilmaestro: i just hope it's not because they knew this would get a bigger reaction
(02:05:38) Arbalest: the VVVI is unique, it basically is learning. Whoeever it takes control of, it learns through them. So when Saki and Haruto shared that kiss, it thought "Sex?"
(02:05:49) Arbalest: after it evolved into nothing, it probably tried to force it
(02:05:59) Arbalest: hence the more frequent "attacks"
(02:06:21) Arbalest: and also why it brought it up when L-Elf and thingamy checked the system out
(02:06:31) Arbalest: it became obsessed with the idea
(02:10:48) ilmaestro: oh you mean why in the show, sure
(02:10:56) Arbalest: why otherwise?
(02:11:03) Arbalest: i don't know
(02:11:06) ilmaestro: like, why do it from an out-of-show perspective
(02:11:16) ilmaestro: ie. why would you put this in your anime
(02:11:53) ilmaestro: i agree with you in-show, the v1 system woman doesn't think she's doing anything wrong
(02:11:53) Arbalest: i'm not really sure what kind of answer we will get for that
(02:12:59) Arbalest: For a show i'd place as fairly tame, they where pretty vivid with it
(02:13:10) Arbalest: actually
(02:13:15) Arbalest: screw that, that's not accurate
(02:13:18) Arbalest: it was vivid
(02:13:21) Arbalest: but it's not that tame
(02:13:22) Arbalest: there we go
(02:14:44) ilmaestro: aina's arm was pretty... whoa
(02:14:53) ilmaestro: but i was surprised how candid they were this week
(02:14:54) Arbalest: indeed
(02:15:19) ilmaestro: i think my point is there's an alternate version of this show out there, where "that scene" is far less brutal, at least phsyically
(02:15:22) Arbalest: it's not OVA level of vivid, but i think it's probably the most you can get on a TV show, for that kind of thing
(02:15:27) ilmaestro: ^^spellunk
(02:15:56) ilmaestro: where, for example, rather than forcing haruto to rape saki, the system controls him into seducing shoko and having consensual sex
(02:16:19) Arbalest: i did consider the idea of something happening with it and a scene with shoko
(02:16:20) Arbalest: i won't lie
(02:16:27) Arbalest: saki? maybe i should've seen it happen
(02:17:19) ilmaestro: which is somewhere close to the same level of emotional tragedy, in that haruto is still being psychologically abused by the system and ultimately shoko will be devasted when she finds out what really happened
(02:17:27) ilmaestro: but it's less "obviously" controversial
(02:17:58) Arbalest: see, that's the thing. The only one i think that may have been abused here is haruto. Saki is going to be a weird one to discuss
(02:18:12) Ath: when i first heard this ep was "controversial"
(02:18:15) ilmaestro: yeah, especially if that's your opinion haha
(02:18:18) Arbalest: And i base that purely on one line she said earlier
(02:18:22) Arbalest: "being alone together"
(02:18:23) Ath: i thought it would be that scenario ilmae
(02:18:34) ilmaestro: oh, nice
(02:18:40) Ath: i was thinking back to gundam seed with flay and kira
(02:18:48) ilmaestro: yeeeees of course
(02:18:56) Ath: so i sort of was thinking valvrave was going to do something similar
(02:20:10) ilmaestro: imo what you're doing arby is thinking too much about whether saki thinks she has been abused or not
(02:21:28) Arbalest: outwith the scene itself?
(02:21:29) Arbalest: yeah
(02:21:35) Arbalest: the scene itself is obvious
(02:21:40) ilmaestro: and, as much as it is the exact question that is asked of the pilots, one of the key tenets of modern concepts of humanity is that you *can't* just give it away because you convince yourself it's "ok" to be raped, or to be in servitude
(02:22:28) ilmaestro: i might agree with you if you are saying saki has convinced herself that she hasn't been "raped"
(02:22:45) Arbalest: that's kind of what i mean. I'm not looking at what we think
(02:22:48) Arbalest: i'm looking at the characters
(02:23:03) Ath: i think the way next week's episode deals with it is crucial
(02:23:08) Arbalest: it is
(02:23:14) ilmaestro: but she has been horribly abused, emotionally as well as physically, and i think it will show soon
(02:23:27) ilmaestro: literal can't wait for next weeks ep, it's not very fair to show them so far apart
(02:23:33) Arbalest: whether this turns out to be something we give the "eh i don't like it, but ok" or not is all on next week
(02:24:18) Arbalest: In a way though, i think it will make Saki the more interesting character to follow
(02:24:38) Ath: now that the show has chosen to go down this path, it's up to it to up its storytelling to justify this episode i think
(02:24:41) ilmaestro: artistically, i thought the scene was very good, between the juxtapositioning of shoko's speech and the slightly distorted soundscape
(02:24:51) ilmaestro: that's exactly what i said in my post, arby
(02:25:02) Arbalest: Oh yeah, the way it was done, it was good.
(02:25:07) ilmaestro: i almost think they are positioning her as the key emotional center of the series
(02:25:24) ilmaestro: agree ath, they absolutely have to deal with this properly
(02:25:31) ilmaestro: can't just have it be something that "happened"
(02:26:26) Ath: i hope they can do it
(02:26:35) Arbalest: I think they can
(02:26:40) Arbalest: but this is sunrise